Starting today (April 19), and for two weeks only, Arctic Cat is open for Model Year 2023 Snowmobiles pre-ordering. All of the 2023 models have been outlined on this website in the FEATURES section for you to review, or you can go to ArcticCat.com and check out their Buyers Guide to help inform your decision.
If you haven’t placed an order with your dealer already, I suggest you do, or order online at ArcticCat.com as soon as possible. (I’ve taken some snapshots of the online order process below which is pretty straight forward)
Don’t miss out on the chance to get a new Model Year 2023 sled. They will sell quickly — pre-orders end May 3.
Shall we discuss the price of these 2012… I mean 2018 snowmobiles in comparison to their competitors?
as a primer…
$8699 Blast ZR 4000
$9299 Blast XR 4000
$9499 Blast LT 4000
$10099 Blast XR 4000 Touring
$11000 *** NOTHING ***
$12000 *** NOTHING ***
$13000 *** NOTHING ***
$14399 ZR 6000
$15199 ZR 6000 RXC
$15399 ZR 8000
$15699 Riot 8000
$15999 Riot 8000 ATAC
$16299 Riot 8000 ATAC
$20699 Thundercat 9000
$21299 Riot 9000 ATAC
there’s an enormous gaping hole of product between $10,099 and $14,399 that BRP & Polaris will happily fill.
And below 8699.00. Ski Doo has this covered very very well. As for 2018 models,….pretty much. In my world I see it simply as no ticky no washy. Nothing new and the money stays in TP’s wallet. Current pricing is not in line with technology being offered. Other products offer greater value for the dollar.
Maybe 2024 will be better………but I ain’t betting on it.
Can we assume that all the 2022’s have been delivered. I mean that was the reason for waiting until 4/19, correct?
I’m also amazed that a company’s year and success is determined by 2 weeks of product orders. Crazy!
No not yet. Dealer still waiting on the RR 6000 sleds. Not expecting them till June now due to shock component issues. They had offered a cheaper shock package but no price discount so my dealer said build it as ordered. I dont really need it till December so who cares at this point in time.
Riot Rider – You have to remember, Arctic Cat placed their order for 2023 parts and build quantities many months ago. They already knew their target build number then. This has been the process for all OEMs for decades.
Polaris and Ski doo have completed there offers cr. Just in case you missed that. not a whole lot of sleds in that price range from any brand this year. Thank you Dementia Joe.
allow me to show you how wrong you are before Krom does again…
600/650 class trail sleds…
2023 Renegade Adrenaline 600 137 $12,439 (Std Gauge)
2023 SP 650 137 E/S $12,999 (Std Gauge)
2023 Renegade 600 X 137 E/S $13,149 (Std Gauge)
2023 MXZ 600 Blizzard 129 E/S $13,249 (Std Gauge)
2023 MXZ 600 X-RS 129 E/S $14,249 (Std Gauge & Shocks)
2023 XC 650 129 M/S $13,799 or E/S $14,288 (Std Gauge)
2023 Renegade 600 XRS Comp. Pkg 137 M/S $14,299 (Std Gauge)
***2023 ZR 6000 137 E/S QS3 $14,399
2023 XC 650 137 M/S $14,199 or E/S $14,688 (Std Gauge)
2023 Renegade 600 Enduro 137 E/S $14,799 (Std Gauge)
2023 XCR 650 128 M/S $14,799 or E/S $15,288 (Std Gauge)
***2023 ZR 6000 RXC 129 M/S $15,199 or E/S $15,499
2023 XCR 650 136 M/S $15,199 or E/S $15,688 (Std Gauge)
2023 VR1 650 129 M/S $15,299 or E/S $15,788 (7S)
2023 VR1 650 137 M/S $15,699 or E/S $16,188 (7S)
800/850 class trail sleds…
Renegade Adrenaline 850 137 $13,749
Renegade X 850 137 $14,749
MXZ 850 Blizzard 129 $14,999
XC 850 129 $15,388
***ZR8000 137 QS3 $15,399
MXZ X-RS 850 129 $15,749
XC 850 137 $15,788
Renegade X-RS 850 137 $15,799
***ZR8000 137 ATAC $15,999
Renegade Enduro 850 137 $16,249
XCR 850 128 $16,388
XCR 850 136 $16,788
VR1 850 129 $16,888
VR1 850 137 $17,288
that’s not including the ‘value’ sleds from BRP and Polaris… would you like them next?
Well try to order one of those cr. Please do! I dont see any 11 K sleds in that list either. You missed it, like usual, again.
Go dig a hole and stand in it
Great reply. Guess you ran out of good insults there cr. Thanks for making my day!
Crnr2Crnr – You should be a product manager. Maybe you are?
That $11k-13k category is an interesting one. (Basically 600/650 class) There are offerings from the other OEMs in that price range, but the bulk of the market lies in 800/850 class units. The snowmobile industry is a bizarre one…you’ll see comments all the time that “snowmobiles are too expensive”, yet, year after year, the most expensive stuff sells.
Are you hiring? I can work remote… LOL
It is an interesting niche and one that A/C (should they release a new chassis) could and should fill using the existing Procross chassis as a full sized 600 ‘entry level’ sled (as all the tooling and r&d $ was spent ages ago for them and for the Ctech6000) and/or possibly go backwards slightly to a simple 100hp 600 TBI ala SkiDoo’s 55/65/85hp 600 found in the Sport and Neo models. A/C still uses TBI on the SX sled so the R&D with lower compression domes wouldn’t be too significant. Of course EPA credits and all would be a challenge due to A/C’s lack of four strokes and overall sales of four strokes. Utilize the 129 skid and old front end (ala the current RXC), basic IFP shocks, paint it all black with a few simple ARCTIC CAT decals, basic ‘a/f’ gauge from the SX chassis, etc. and call it a day for $12,345 + optional Electric Start.
Polaris has been doing this with their ‘SP’ models for quite some time and BRP has followed suit with the Adrenaline model. There’s no reason Cat shouldn’t be in the game, that I can see. You?
Ok, now for the one I want to see them make as a ‘Sno Pro’ fan(atic?)…
Using whatever the current SX chassis may be… use the consumer 600 engine (or a low compression 600TBI) and clutches, no e-start, trail sled fuel tank with stiffer Riot seat, Riot skis, 137 Cobra 1.325″, Fox IFP (QS3?) shocks, 22/48 gearing without the slipper… leave the tunnel, SX skid and front end raw, plain black, green or gray (lol) plastics adorned with one very small ‘Sno-Pro’ decal on the hood, the std SX gauge, warmers a tether switch and that’s it. All proven parts from existing sleds they already make, slapped together just so us ditchbangin’, racer wanna-be dingdongs could change/upgrade it just as we want from there… for $12,999 msrp of course. This may also bring down the cost of the actual race sleds due to higher production runs the consumers would be purchasing.
🙂
Where.s the snowmageddon pricing? Do they really expect customers to pay these prices for the same sled as last year?
Why would you have discount pricing when you’ll sell every sled you can make?
The Blast ZR is already sold out. Lol.
Snowmageddon is gone. So the pricing advantage they had pre 22 is gone altogether. So premium price for 2018 tech.
A few ways to look at this – we’re all guessing since textron marketing has gone fishing, and this (much appreciated) free site is all we can go by.
1. Textron just can’t get the parts to build that many sleds this year, so they are ignoring the value customers and just building the high margin sleds. If this is the case, I’m not sure why doo and poo can get the parts for these customers.
2. That number must be so low that pricing doesn’t matter – no one will have much to sell anyway, so they will sell out all they can anyway. That’s why a 23 ZR 800 has gone up $4K compared to a 20 800 limited, the last time they changed anything.
3. If you exit a business line you have to provide parts for a number of years. Killing off the brand slowly with no new investment keeps these trailing costs down.
Bottom line is they’ll sell all they can make. Dealers and customers will suffer due to the high prices and low volumes.
The hope is they have something big ready for 24, or perhaps that Argo is interested. Gunner and Heidi don’t know anything about sleds and textron has no history of success with consumer products, so no confidence here. Just want to see Cat revived and kicking again.
Fortunately, there should be 8 life’s left?
You know nothing of Gunner or Heidi but make statements like this? Troy Halverson is who is running the sled side anyway and trust me, he knows sleds!
Troy’s hands, arms, elbows, and shoulders are cuffed tight behind his back. He knows what needs to be done, but isn’t given the budget, or man power to do it. Why do you think they fired Brian Dick?
I’m pretty sure Troy’s fingers, toes, feet, and legs are cuffed too. I’m pretty sure they blindfolded him and taped his mouth too! Oh my old friend Troy. I am so sad for you.?
They fired Brian because he wanted to SAVE Cat.
God help us. As a nation first, then Cat.
Prove it! Life really sucks right now. Supply issues to Bidenomics and toss in Jen Psaki and AOC and the ones trying to run our Country in the squad. I applaud Cat for how they are handling 2023. 2022 was a nightmare I lived through.
JimR – Cat could say they are only producing one model and bringing back steel skis and you would applaud them. Meanwhile the rest of us are trying to pressure them to step it up!
Seriously? Gunner admitted it during the 22 release, with his embarrassing story about trying out a sled.
JimR is lost.. Neither gunner or heidi had ridden before getting put in charge.
We are so DooMed.
Exactly. It was embarrassing when Gunner admitted it.
Argo, Yamaha and others have tried to buy AC from Textron.
If true (not saying it isn’t) that’s awful. Let someone build it instead of squeeze the last few dollars out of it.
That’s what I’ve been saying since those bloodsuckers bought Cat. Ya think if those bloodsuckers valued money so much, they WOULD sell and MAKE some money. Bastards!
Blood suckers? If it were not for them, there would be no more Cat! That is the facts! Christ Karen! Lighten up and live a little bit.
Krommy, remember this? Read the comments…
https://www.arcticinsider.com/arctic-cat-to-be-acquired-by-textron-in-247-million-cash-transaction/
idk why no one else can post links here? 🙂
I sure do remember it, and another with a comment that made a dire, and scary accurate prediction of what textron would do after the purchase.
One of the comments was:”I worry for all the good engineers at Arctic who have been such a big part of the development of the snowmobile program. I know we don’t have to worry about Roger but what of people like Brian Dick, Joel Halstrom, Greg Spaulding, Ryan Hayes, Kirk Hibbert, Al Shimpa and others”
It turns out that most every person on that list was fired, including Roger.
Did most of them end up at Argo or Polaris? If argo I’m still hopeful they’ll find a way to revive the brand, and pull a cat out of a hat!
Mark,
Your point #3 is not true, there is no law stating that. If it is done, it is done as a courtesy to the customers, not a requirement.
The more upbeat way to look at it is this: This offering and these price points are all they can do for 23. Prices need to be high to cover low volumes, and low volumes across the market will ensure 100% sales regarding of price. Textron will be ready to go in 2024.
Doubtful. The market determines value of product. Pricing is secondary. If Cat only sells a minimum amount and costs are covered, then they survive a little longer. Cost of operation have been cut significantly. No R&D means no new product or technology. Cat is running on fumes presently.
2024……we shall see.
Thought I’d try to be more positive after all the negativity on here, including from me.
get home from work and ZR 200 is already sold out. Wow
Prove it! Life really sucks right now. Supply issues to Bidenomics and toss in Jen Psaki and AOC and the ones trying to run our Country in the squad. I applaud Cat for how they are handling 2023. 2022 was a nightmare I lived through.
You know what? You said something you’re probably going to feel bad about. In my post, which is awaiting moderation and therefore not able to be seen by anyone but me, I said the following about you.
“Not expecting them till June now due to shock component issues.”
You wanna know something Jim? I AM sorry for you. Really. This shit shouldn’t be happening. Your sled shoulda been delivered in November, or December at the latest.
“They had offered a cheaper shock package but no price discount”
What a way to run a railroad. Old cartoon joke for anyone who wonders WTF I’m talking about.
“Thank you Dementia Joe.”
Now obviously you are a CONSERVATIVE Jim. Why do you FIGHT me? Why do you fight us?! WE ARE ON YOUR SIDE! YOU ARE ON OUR SIDE! We should be WORKING TOGETHER MAN!
Feel differently? You should.
“Blood suckers? If it were not for them, there would be no more Cat! That is the facts!”
Yes. I called them that, and I will FOREVER. They bought AND bankrupt Polaris! What are they doing to Cat? Can the leopard change his spots? No. Besides, there won’t be anymore Cat shortly anyway, so all they did was delay the inevitable. I would rather have died true Cat, than “survive” with this piss poor life support Cat is on now.
“Christ Karen! Lighten up and live a little bit.”
I am a simple man. I don’t demand much. A “president” keeping his dick-skinners outta my gasoline, and a once great company, known for building the baddest ass sleds on snow, building bad ass sleds again would help me to “lighten up and live a little bit”. Is that too much to ask?
“Doubtful. The market determines value of product. Pricing is secondary. If Cat only sells a minimum amount and costs are covered, then they survive a little longer. Cost of operation have been cut significantly. No R&D means no new product or technology. Cat is running on fumes presently.”
Damn right. “Gotta spend money to make money”. But this is also true, “You don’t make your money when you sell, you make your money when you buy.” Like when the bloodsuckers bought Arctic Cat for a measly 247 million, and make that much, and more, destroying it.
“2024……we shall see.”
I’d like to quote a scene from Ghostbusters.
“This is it! This is the sign!”
“It’s a sign all right. Going out of business.”
Get your ice fishing shanties ready boys. Time to go fishin’.
Because I bleed green and do not get pissed when things do not go my way. I had a spare sled. I know of 2 or 3 poo guys who will never get there sled. Grow up Karen. Life Is not far but Cats rule!
Polaris? That was 40 plus years ago in a terrible economy and horrible snow years. Way to make a mountain out of an ant hill Karen. You are one special kind of person. Karen fits like a glove. You get told what is going on but only you know it’s a lie. Nice.
“Because I bleed green and do not get pissed when things do not go my way.”
I have NEVER been angry with Cat. But THIS ISN’T CAT. You can honestly say you are happy with the way bloodsuckers are “running” this company? Have you taken a LOOK at the lineup since 2020, IE BEFORE the china fru excuse? It had NO excuse to be reduced that far back then. Have you taken a look at our competition’s lineups, even during this scamdemic? You are lost like an Easter egg, man.
“I know of 2 or 3 poo guys who will never get there sled.”
That’s how many you know. How many Cat guys or Yamaha guys will never get theirs? Many more I think. YOU ARE WAITING ON SHOCKS YOURSELF FOR F–KS SAKE MAN.
“That was 40 plus years ago in a terrible economy and horrible snow years.”
The more things change, to more they stay the same! Terrible economy is HERE, NOW. I don’t know how many miles YOU got this season, but I didn’t get to ride AT ALL. NO SNOW in NORTHERN MICHIGAN. Sounds the same to me.
“Way to make a mountain out of an ant hill Karen. You are one special kind of person. Karen fits like a glove.”
You know what, I was wrong. Wrong that you’d see what I posted and actually give a shit. Piss on you man. Seriously. I didn’t wanna be like everyone else, and give you a chance to explain how and why you think the way you do, but that was a waste of time.
Corner said “Go dig a hole and stand in it”. No. Go dig a hole and BURY yourself. Give yourself some time to get YOUR shit figured out.
“You get told what is going on but only you know it’s a lie.”
Look in a mirror man. Describes you to a T. You’re on a sinking ship, yet you play shuffleboard. I’m not gonna waste my precious time responding to your diarrhea thoughts, and I suggest my brothers in thought do the same. Ignore this fool, and hopefully he will go away. Goodbye, sad little old man.
Have zero problems how they are doing things Karen. ZERO! I only hope you go away. Brothers? What world do you live on? That is pure Karen talk!
1000 miles. More snow than I could keep up with but life makes you adjust. No Cat purchaser will be denied his or her sled. Fact! Bet I get a response Karen.
I bought a 2020. Great sled. Made more selling it than I paid and that was a family discount. Even if they had a new chassis, would be 2 years minimum before I would touch one Karen. I prefer improvements over all new any day.
You kill me Karen. Sinking ship? Because?
I’m not too sure what everyone’s crying about. Supply and demand is what controls the prices. If it’s too much for you crybabies don’t buy this year. And why bash CAT or TEXTRON when this website owner has seen what’s next? I am very proud to be able to pre order a Thundercat that isn’t gray!
Kale, with all the whining going on. Your next post . Do a tally on how many bought a new 023 & and what models . My paperwork is at the race dept . So I won’t know anything for a couple months. Iv got 2 buddy’s that ordered ZR6000RXC. Coworker , grabbed a dealer stock . 022 ZR6000. My TWO Cents ‼️
I wanna see how many total 2012-2022s were bought.
Well go count as there has never ever been one.
Sorry Kale. But that guy needs to go! What a Karen!
Unfortunately this website can not deal with constructive criticism. It is why the company bearing the name of Arctic Cat is backsliding. When your customer is your toughest critic and you ignore them, you get what is occuring. Pricing is secondary to product. When product doesn’t meet consumer expectations then you lose customer loyalty and financial resources. Both are signs of considerable problems of both present and future operations of said organization. Recent years sales figures indicate the formentioned problems. The moderator of this site should consider that problem rests with the company producing the product. Not the consumer offering suggestions. After 50 plus years in the automotive industry I have seen enough to know when trouble is at the door.
Wow! You are so out of it!
Not really. Sales figures don’t lie.
Show me actual sales figures TP. Not supposed figures.
If you knew 1/10th of what you claim, you would know the sales figures. But you don’t even know where to find them. Since you’ll never figure it out on your own here and links aren’t allowed on here, time to get off your lazy arse and search… Here you go:
Powersports business publishes sales and market share figures.
Baird Powersports does and publishes dealer surveys across the entire industry (they don’t bother with textron any more though, the last one was published in October, that alone would tell any half was smart person what was going on)
It’s not the website that can’t handle the criticism – it’s one person.
It’s not the site TP. This is a good site, with a good leader running it, who is just doing his job of whatever the bloodsuckers want and tell him to do. He can’t voice any criticism if he has any.
The rest of what you said?
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He is not tied to Cat you dweeb! This is an independent site but I digress.
You do realize if he’s critical they won’t feed him any info? I’m astounded by you blinders.
CatRider/TP or Anyone Else – Throughout my career in the Powersports industry, Ive made it a practice not to sh*t where I eat or burn any bridges. This industry is far too small, and I truly respect, and enjoy, working with all the people within its walls. (Consumers, Dealers, Club Members, other OEMs, Ambassadors, Editors, Athletes, Racers, Race Team owners, Race Circuits etc)
That said, there isn’t really a reason to be critical about anything here. Speaking for snowmobiles, they haven’t changed in 60yrs. They all have an engine, track and two skis…and continue to be damn fun EVERY TIME I swing a leg over one.
Like anyone reading here, would I like to see Arctic Cat be #1 in sales? Of course I do. Given that scenario, Im guessing people would still find something to complain about…like I see on SkiDoo and Polaris sites now.
My goal and intent with this website hasn’t changed since its inception – I want to share information about the brand and hope those reading can learn from it and share thoughtful opinions in a manner that is respectful towards others.
Don’t look at me. I respect you, and the job you do, just not Comglom-O.
Love the site and he work you do far all of us. It’s just frustrating times for arctic cat folks. We have all been there before, and will get through it. I just wish they were a little more transparent with where they are going with the brand. I think that’s what makes everyone a little crazy.
9000 series sleds, SOLD OUT!
So are all the Blast models. Are they only building 10 of each. Lol. I was thinking about trading in a sled for a Blast M, but not now as they are sold out. I hope this spring only ordering is not the new game in town. I really don’t need a new sled so I will see what 2024 brings. (Hopefully, some new tech somewhere.)
If I make 100 snowmobiles then sell those 100 snowmobiles , I am sold out, correct? But if I sell 100 snowmobiles and my competition sells 10,000 snowmobiles, who controls the market? The competition is gobbling up market share annually. Every manufacturer is selling out. But the competition is selling out greater volumes of product. In the end the competition will dictate the market. You might take in to consideration this when discussing such topics. The market determines the value of the product. Presently the competition controls almost 90 perecent of the market. Think about it.
Again, proof?
Try doing some research. You seem to have a problem offrring any information othrr than your distorted opinions.
His sense of business acumen is unmatched and unrivaled
already gave you the info you need to figure it out..
6000 series sold out!
Both of them?
Hopefully with the 9000’s, 6000’s, and Blast sold out, they look like they made a profit on paper and promote Heidi to some other division.
You’re not even smart enough to understand that if he publishes anything even the littlest critical article, they will cut him off from all info, and access inside the factory.
Sure they will krommer. Sure they will.
Hey Jim R. I think it’s been a fact for awhile, that Cat has only held around 14 percent of the market share, and the guys that comment on this site really care about their share of the market dwindling less and less every year until extinction. Maybe you should change the way you make comments sometimes, because these guys are very passionate about trying to help and save a company they care about.
It would be interesting to know how many of each sled they actually had available to purchase. To me, when considering they have sold out of most of their sleds within a day or two Cat is not building many sleds. If this is their new sales plan, God help us.
I mean, could you image if they pulled this in the car industry to this extent. Sorry, you missed your chance buying a Tahoe, try next year.
They are. Hence the decreased inventory on dealers lots. Going to get worse before getting better. The increased cost to own and operate a vehicle is going to force people into mass transit and city type living. Things like recreational products will become extinct. Read the year end review on all the manufacturers. Average revenue decreased on average by 7 to 9 percent last year.
Good thing I am not in the market for a car or truck. 🙂
Only if you become a sheep.
Sleds were pre sold for weeks. Dealers don’t just sit and wait with there finger up there Dave the Downer. Will it be lower. Absolutely! No one wants a repeat of 2022.
Try reading Polaris and BRP 1st quater financial reports. You may get your eyes opened.
Why? You talk a good game but wont back up what you say. I asked for proof and am told to look it up. I have and Cat, Textron are good. Could care less about what I consider lesser brands. Just sayin there toilet paper. Assuming that is the long in TP.
Your insults are comical. I take it you are a paid Textron shill? Again try doing some research. You’re a big boy. Put on your big boy pants and see if can can figure out what the financial reports say.
Kale… is it time to bring back these old AI articles with inflation and the current state of manufacturing?
https://www.arcticinsider.com/part-i-snowmobiles-are-too-expensive/
https://www.arcticinsider.com/part-ii-snowmobiles-are-too-expensive-how-about-trucks/
https://www.arcticinsider.com/part-iii-snowmobiles-are-too-expensive-just-like-my-phone/
https://www.bls.gov/data/inflation_calculator.htm
using the cpi calculator the 2012 F800 Procross had an MSRP of $11,799 so in todays dollars that’s $14,966
and the 2014 ZR 6000 RR was $12,349 which equates to $15,178 cpi adjusted… or the same price as a 2023 RXC without electric start… for pretty much the exact same sled. LOL
2010 Sno Pro 500 (the best sled they ever sold) was $8299 MSRP which in todays dollars is $11,011 but for 2023 A/C doesn’t have a comparable $11K sled, or a $12K sled or a $13K sled… they have overpriced Procross and b-Last models… nothing in a happy medium. They go from $9K to $14K with nothing in the middle and I believe that is a big gap, and a huge mistake.
Sandberg did a great job on that inflation story, but it made sense to write it at the time. I may be blind, but I have a hard time believing the majority of snowmobilers are complaining about prices right now when the highest zoot models are selling out the quickest for ALL brands. Same goes for UTVs, Trucks, RVs, Boats etc…
Yes, an excellent job indeed.
That was 2017 and inflation was ‘only’ averaging 2%, but since Q1 2021 until now inflation has crept up from 1.4% to 8.5% currently. https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/inflation/historical-inflation-rates/
My point was in part trying to justify the price of past and current snowmobiles from Cat. Based solely upon inflation it’s somewhat justifiable.
A lot has changed in the pricing structure since 2017 using the previous model John laid out with cars, trucks and even phones. A new 1/2 p/u with commonly purchased options starts around $50k these days, and with certain EV’s we’ve seen an even larger increase in the pricing. The upcoming F150 Lightning (Pro) has a base price around $41k, step into an XLT with extended range and you are quickly at $73k.
I’ve read the phrase ‘snowmobiling is a rich mans sport’ countless times over the years and to an extent is has merit. $15-20k for a toy you can use three months out of the year? It is quite amazing what some people are willing to or have the ability to spend on toys. This is also imo is why the manu’s have offered lower price point entry level sleds like the b-Last, Neo, etc. and that isn’t a bad thing for the industry, but also imo why they (Cat) should be taking a hard look at the $10k-$13k gap if they want to survive and thrive in the future. It’s funny typing this as a young guy in my department is about to go pick up his $40k bass boat which is what would be defined as a ‘mid range’ priced boat these days.
Also putting these high priced toys into perspective…
“Robust Mortgage and Auto Loan Originations Help Drive Total Household Debt to $15.58 Trillion in Q4 2021
Debt sees largest quarterly rate of increase since 2007”
https://www.newyorkfed.org/newsevents/news/research/2022/20220208
No need TP. Your answer proved my point. You can’t back it up. That was not an insult. That was your answer.
If you knew 1/10th of what you claim, you would know the sales figures. But you don’t even know where to find them. Since you’ll never figure it out on your own here and links aren’t allowed on here, time to get off your lazy arse and search… Here you go:
Powersports business publishes sales and market share figures.
Baird Powersports does and publishes dealer surveys across the entire industry (they don’t bother with textron any more though, the last one was published in October, that alone would tell any half was smart person what was going on)
Cool! You definitely deserved custodian of the year. I meas assistant. The new karl Sparkler. Wish you well and hopefully one day, you will get that promotion.
I seriously doubt that the individual even owns a Arctic Cat let alone a T/Cat Krom. Best we not feed the troll. June brings the sales numbers. Powersports site and Snowmobile.com will bring the information out then. So, sit back, pour yourself a tall one and enjoy. Should be fun to watch.
I have owned new since 1991. 91 Jag AFS. 93 Prowler. 94 EXT EFI, 96 ZR 580, 98 ZL 500, 2002 ZL 600, 96 Firecat 600 EFI R. 2015 6000 LXR. 2018 (Still have and put 1000 miles on it this past year), 2020 Limited 6000 with iAct that I sold to my brother. Will pick up my 2022 6000 RR in October. Had numerous used sleds and one mistake Polairis new, 1997 XC600, worst sled I have ever had. Gave it away finally. TP. If sales me so much to you, why is Polaris always the first loser?
Doubtful. Maybe an owner of a Kitty Cat. As for Polaris…..they aren’t where they are because of luck. They like BRP build excellent stuff. Hence why both companies are leaving A/C in the snow dust. Time to wake up from your dream and see the real world. Cat isn’t quite what they were and sinking a little more each day.
“Best we not feed the troll.”
I already said that yesterday dammit!
Anyway, I’ve been working for the past few weeks, in my spare time, starting with the year 2000, and working up to last year’s “line-up”, noting every Arctic Cat sled made, and coming up with modern versions. I came up with a way to weed out any that don’t sell, what percent of extras for each model to make, what engines to make, etc etc etc. But then I realized…what a f–king waste of time that is. Nobody from Conglom-O reads these comments. They are never going to change and make what we want in order to actually make money. Anyone with a BRAIN can tell they don’t care. They are happing making 100 or so 120s, 200s, Blast Ms, Blast XRs, Blast XR Tourings, Riot 9000s, Blast LTs, Blast ZRs, ZR R-XCs, Thundercats, and ZR6000s, and “selling out” of them in less than a day. But all 48 models of M8000 are still available! Thank GOD.
It’s a waste of time. I wash my hands of it. I’ve got better things to do with my time, and I suggest you guys follow too. Be like JimR-a-doodle-doo! Don’t worry! Be ignorant!
Good News is a small batch of new body 24’s were built after the 2022 models were finished.
Someone must have seen them somewhere playing in the snow by now.
Oh boy! The new graphics are out already!
Reading these comments is like watching a blip of Real Housewives my wife has on when I am in the kitchen mixing myself another drink before I head back downstairs to watch the hockey game!
You all sound like a bunch of whiners!
Give it time, Cat will come out with something worthwhile! These times are tough on everyone!
CAT won’t come out with anything. CAT is dead. bloodsuckers sucked em dry. And THEY sure as ?won’t come out with anything. That costs money! Keep making the same garbage 800 and underproduce everything else!
Do you just come on here to spread negativity?? You must live a pretty sad life, I feel bad for people like you.
Not just me. Others too.
Save your pity.
The last Baird Dealer survey that showed market share had these results: BRP 51% Polaris 33% Arctic Cat 14% Yamaha 4%.
By the way, after quarter after quarter, and year after year of, quote, “All measures of sentiment remain at or near record lows – and maintain a wide gap vs. the powersports average”, Baird has discontinued even bothering with surveying Arctic Cat dealers going forward.
Does Baird Dealer survey know that adds up to 102%? Lol
LOL, I saw that, as well, but let’s not miss the point. When I was a dealer, there were generally three firms who would conduct quarterly phone surveys. After a while, Baird went to a survey that was emailed quarterly, and allowed the dealer to complete it as time permitted, and to answer questions in writing, and make commentary. AFAIK they were the last firm to even bother with Arctic Cat. Now they literally don’t view it as worth their time and effort. They still survey Polaris, BRP, Yamaha, and the rest of the powersports industry. Even Ducati. I could copy and paste page after page of direct quotes from dealers, but the lines are clearly drawn here. I don’t expect folks who don’t or haven’t had an inside view to understand how demoralized what’s left of the dealer base is when they are honest, and not putting on a brave face.
Dave the Downer – If you’ve lost faith, then move on quietly and leave us cat guys alone! Throwing a tantrum will not solve anything, same thing I tell my toddlers!
Again, it’s not just me. I guess because I complain the loudest, I am singled out.
Nope. Some people can’t handle truthful observations. You keep pitching Dave You’re on a roll!
You want to know the worst thing that could happen? That no Cat guys were commenting here at all. If that ever happens then Cat really would be doomed because it would mean we’ve all moved on from Cat. But we haven’t yet, and we continue to be critical because we see our brand depleting by Textron. We see the lack of marketing, we notice the poeple they hire have no snombile background, we see the lack of brand amabassadors, we see the lack of support in R&D, the lack of support in racing, we see the dealer network cut and still not brought back up where it should be. Many things we notice. And to that I say, keep up the pressue. Because if we don’t ask, suggest, demand, then we get what we get. Call, email, comment to Cat is what is and coninues to be needed until our brand is restored to the way it should be.
Good summary.
I think most can see why nothing was done for 23, but no excuses for 20-22.
Careful, you are spreading negativity, and the blind don’t like that.
Excellent post CatRider!!!!!!
Cat has a lot of work to do in order to get market share back. I love my Cats, currently have a 22 Tcat with atac and eps, 21 Zr6000ltd with atac, 19 Tcat with iact and a 01z440 esr. The power steering is a real game changer absolutely love it. the 6000 is a great sled, real like it as well, but now they no longer make one with atac and haven’t for two years. They need something new to revive the brand, but need to support it with custom options, more accessories, luggage bag system, etc. It’s a lot of work, but needs to happen if they want a comeback. I am a trail rider and find the luggage is a joke, I have their saddle bags which they no longer make, they are getting old and I will need to replace, been moving them from sled to sled through the years. I will have to go to a Kimpex system or LinQ which just seems weird to me, they should make something themselves that fit the sled instead of going to BRP’s stuff. I hope they have a big release in 24. Here’s to hoping.
Anyone susccessfully used the website to place a pre-order? I’m not actually buying yet another Procross at $16k+, but the website will not allow a pre-order to be placed on 2 different devices that I tried on. Yes, these are sleds still listed as available. Yikes.
Which model bud?
Go to pre-order (not build) on the bottom right, then select model. As of the moment it looks like ZR8K’s, Riots and Msleds. No RXC’s or 6K’s, no kids sleds, or bLasts.
As I have read the comments on this and other website over the past couple years, one thing is sadly evident. A lot of people who are taking time to come to this and other sites are frustrated with this company right now. It’s not a great time to be excited about the brand or even for someone to be telling their buddies that they own the brand. The Poo and Doo folks just laugh. Any excitement from the Textron takeover and the hope for R&D dollars to be infused isn’t there anymore. I’m not sure people trust Textron or their intentions for the future. A lot of Cat owners don’t believe they’re being heard or that Textron/AC even wants to listen to what they have to say. They feel like a lot of things are stuck and not moving forward and we’re losing ground to the competition every year.
Separating fact from fiction is hard to do. Cat isn’t exactly saying much and most of us just don’t know. I feel for this site because there isn’t a lot of insider information to share. So yes, a lot of people are very frustrated right now. Whether they should feel that way or not doesn’t matter because the fact is they do feel that way.
Consider this Textron is a military industrial complex company. Do you really think they hsve the best interests of A/C at heart? Or is it simply a cash cow until the last drop of profit is sucked from it? As both Glad2Gone and myself have said, we have seen how TXT operates. It isn’t for the purpose of producing products of demand.
I used to love this website, but a few of you have made it unreadable. We’ve known since early March there would be no new chassis, so no use telling us daily why you’re mad and why you think Arctic Cat sucks. Also, it’s silly to give Textron/Arctic Cat a total pass. Yes, it’s been a challenge dealing with the integration of a new company and dealing with supply chain issues, but they could have done more to show their commitment to the sport and their customers. It’s become pretty clear there will finally be a new chassis next year. So I’m willing to wait and see. This time next year we’ll know what Arctic Cat will be under its “new” ownership. If I don’t like what I see….if they aren’t the Arctic Cat I’ve grown to love and have ridden since 1975, I will go a new direction at that time. But until then, I will thoroughly enjoy creating more great memories on my Arctic Cats. I’ll check back occasionally to see if this site might actually become something closer to what it once was as well. Hoping for the best. Happy trails all!
I’ll believe they have a new chassis when I see it. NOT before. Until then it’s just a bunch of hot gas.
Karen at her finest! Was a sweet gal but got booted in line by budding, now everything is against her. No bringing her back, yet still causes trouble. Can”t fix stupid!
????
Is this getting to be like when AMF owned Harley Davidson ..
congratulations… that hit home for me!
LOL
And how did that turn out?
In the long run? Pretty good, but took MANY years, which we don’t have.
Old adage. If there ain’t no oil under ’em, there ain’t no oil in ’em.
They damn near killed an American motorcycle icon. I can do without another iconic name being trashed. Cat always lead the competition. From the orignal El Tigre thru to the ZR, nobody was more dedicated to build sleds that people wanted than Cat.
Today….not so much.
the moment they started getting rid of the engineering and hands on types in product development, that was the beginning of the end from my pov.
I laugh thinking about all the ‘they make helicopters and war machines’ talk when Textron took over. Textron has a track record that stands on it’s own.
at this point let’s all hope it goes the way of Dixie Chopper and dare I say it… Polaris.
https://www.dixiechopper.com/rhinoag-welcomes-dixie-chopper/
“We are truly excited to be further investing in the outdoor power equipment channel with an established brand such as Dixie Chopper. We look forward to working with our new team members and supporting all of our new dealers in an effort to grow in this market.”
here’s to hoping Argo or someone passionate about snowmobiles and ATV’s is able to acquire Cat sooner than later from this lamprey
No, but toss in Covid with miss management Pryor to Textrons purchase, which saved the company btw. Not all great, but much better than the alternative.
Wrong people bought Arctic cat, now we are stuck with them, unless they sell. At this point JimR, they have come out with nothing in three years other than one atv. Other competitors have come out with several components or machines, while Textron chooses not to. It’s a choice they have made, it’s not mandatory, it’s a choice. I have been extremely loyal to them for decades, and that time is coming to an end soon if they don’t come out of hibernation.
Companies can’t build stuff they can’t get parts for. I am grateful to get my 22′ EPS in late March. Compared to the 23′ pricing, 22′ is a gift. I am sure cat would like to sell three times the number of sleds available for 23′. Supply chain problems will exist through 2023 in many industries.
Inflation, high interest rates, and the impending recession will kill off demand for motorized toys just in time for 2024. I will happily be riding my antiquated Tcat.
Yea, they can. You make your own parts and avoid the supply chain. Making parts is easy. Getting qualified people to make those parts is part of the problem. Sending manufacturing overseas now is clearly a problem and takes center stage. I personally have a machine shop in my home and pretty much can duplicate anything the factory makes. If I can do it, so can they. They simply went the route of cheaply made parts made in countries where labor costs allow for greater profits at customer expense.
Wow! You have a casting plant as well? Can you machine 100,000 shocks at a moment’s notice? Make tracks?
Have access to some of the smartest people around. They can make anything. It is the reason why America was the greatest country in the world at one time. We could build anything. We were the standard of the world. Tracks…Goodyear ,Gates or Dayco. Casting…you bet. What type? Die, Investment, Sand, Wood, or Lost Foam? Build anything you can think up. Want a lesson on building stuff. Take a trip to Michigan. All kinds of great people that can build anything you want.
Well it is literally not being done anywhere in the sled industry, because now your sled will double in price. Get in the real world TP. Blows my mind how people think these days.
What is it that’s not happening in the sled industry? Nobody has come out with new product? Are you nuts? You are clearly in denial. The Arctic cat that we knew and loved is GONE. Get over it. We now have a new owner, Textron. And for the last three years, not just Covid, they have come out with one atv. Maybe they will figure it out one day, but for now we have a very reserved company. They have no intention to pretend they are still Cat. They have already proved that to us, clearly.
Your the one lost cupcake. You just haven’t figured it out yet. Doubt you ever will.
“Wrong people bought Arctic cat”
Understatement of the decade.
“now we are stuck with them, unless they sell.”
Oh, they’ll sell. But only to Polaris or SkiDoo, logically. That way, a snowmobile company can get their patents, and scrap the rest. Less competition.
“At this point JimR, they have come out with nothing in three years other than one atv. Other competitors have come out with several components or machines, while Textron chooses not to. It’s a choice they have made, it’s not mandatory, it’s a choice. ”
Yes! SkiDoo has made an improved chassis and a turbo 850, and probably more, and Polaris has made a turbo 850, a 4 stroke, and a 900 since bloodsuckers took over Cat.
“I have been extremely loyal to them for decades, and that time is coming to an end soon if they don’t come out of hibernation.”
Problem is, they died during hibernation.
“Companies can’t build stuff they can’t get parts for.”
“Supply chain problems will exist through 2023 in many industries.”
I agree, but like I said before, someone somewhere down the line is dragging their feet. We didn’t have these problems 3 years ago. WTF happened? Did 3 billion people die or something?
“I am sure cat would like to sell three times the number of sleds available for 23′.”
I disagree. bloodsuckers don’t want to sell sleds. If they don’t, then they won’t have to make new graphics, or keep employees to make them, etc. They’d rather blow themselves about building helicopters and golf carts.
“Inflation, high interest rates, and the impending recession will kill off demand for motorized toys just in time for 2024.”
Another convenient timing! Now they won’t have to make that new chassis that’s being used and endorsed by Bigfoot and the Loch Ness monster.
“You make your own parts and avoid the supply chain. Making parts is easy.”
Expect bloodsuckers to do that? Not I.
“Getting qualified people to make those parts is part of the problem.”
Yup. Let’s pay people to STAY HOME! YAY! Let’s order GrubHub, binge watch some 12 seasons of something stupid, and have our weed and liquor delivered! Is there a service to have someone show up and wipe their ass too? Christ.
“Sending manufacturing overseas now is clearly a problem and takes center stage. ”
Funny how that went. Asshole nixon started it, and asshole slick willie continued it. I guess assholes are on both sides of the isle.
“I personally have a machine shop in my home and pretty much can duplicate anything the factory makes.”
NICE. We have a lil lathe, and that 70 year old lil bastard is the best money we ever spent!
“If I can do it, so can they.”
BIG difference. YOU want to.
“They simply went the route of cheaply made parts made in countries where labor costs allow for greater profits at customer expense.”
Absolutely. Look at foreign cars. Do they have to pay union wages? I don’t think so. Cheaper to make, and charge the same! MORE PROFIT! TOYOTA SPONSORED EVERYTHING! YAY!
“100,000 shocks”
That implies 25,000 sleds. They haven’t made that many in the last 4 f–king years.
“It is the reason why America was the greatest country in the world at one time. We could build anything. We were the standard of the world.”
God damn that’s Patriotic. Sad that it WAS, but IT AIN’T NO MORE. We had a guy once. Became President. Tried to save our industry, tried to save US. Did a good damn job too. Miss that guy. Every f–king day.
“Build anything you can think up.”
Better keep us away from each other. I got ideas on sandcasting some parts I need that you could probably make happen…
“Take a trip to Michigan.”
You in this dump state TP? Where? I’m north of the once great city of detroit.
“Blows my mind how people think these days.”
LOL.
“What is it that’s not happening in the sled industry? Nobody has come out with new product? Are you nuts? You are clearly in denial. The Arctic cat that we knew and loved is GONE. Get over it. We now have a new owner, Textron. And for the last three years, not just Covid, they have come out with one atv. Maybe they will figure it out one day, but for now we have a very reserved company. They have no intention to pretend they are still Cat. They have already proved that to us, clearly.”
DAYYUUUM! BURNED! That sounds like something I would say…
“You’re the one lost, cupcake. You just haven’t figured it out yet. Doubt you ever will.”
That statement makes me happy. See what I mean? I don’t have to say anything. Others can say it for me, as we think correctly.
True Dave. We could do anything in this country years ago. Sad commentary but accurate. Worked for the big three thru the years. Learned more from real craftsman. As for the lathe…..aren’t they wonderful? Best little tool to have. Same for the word “Bridgeport”. With these, nothing is out of your reach to build.
Keep on posting. We need more realists! ?
Oh yeah. If we had to fight WW2 right now, we’d get our ASSES KICKED. God help us in WW3.
Who’d you fork for?
My lathe came from a toolmaker that worked at Chrysler a million years ago, when they were a good American company. Not owned my the Krauts or Guineas. And I can say that, because I am part Kraut and part Guinea.
I’d like a bridgeport, but I never felt comfy flying one, like I am when using a lathe. I could probably get used to it, given time.
I will, but realism won’t get the bloodsuckers to change. I feel like we are trying to put out a forest fire with an eye dropper.
No doubt you could master it in a short period of time. Just a lathe turned vertical. But boy the stuff you can make! I learned because of racing. Cuts your costs big-time. You can innovate to your hearts content. Raw material is cheap. Have the tooling and you build what you want. At one time I made a roller Arctic Hex clutch. Best investment I made was learning to do this myself. Broken meant a few hours, not weeks to fix. Like your lathe, paid for itself many times over!
When Textron bought Cat, they looked around the offices in Georgia to see who they could send north to run Cat and I’m sure most of them were ducking behind their desk’s. The big shots picked some people out and told them to pack their bags and head north, and they said, where the hell is Thief River Falls Mn. So they reluctantly went up to Cat with no compassion or motivation to try and and run a snowmobile manufacturing company. And for that reason, I think those people are just going through the motions to get a salary and just do not have any passion for this industry.
At first I thought you were the other Jim. Was surprised to see a realistic post. But then saw you are someone else.
Yeah wondering who stood up to take this assignment – go to northern MN, pawn out the ATV tech to bass pro for a nice payback and bleed what you can out of what is left till it dies. Screw the dealers and anyone involved in R&D.
If you are so butt hurt at what cat is now, (would not exist if Textron saved them) then leave! It is what it is. Put your big boy pants on and move on. You are the problem! Love the sleds. Absolutely will have a 600 Alterra in my fleet soon as well as a Prowler Pro.
JimR, you have the same attitude as Textron. Guess what Jim, they are leaving! Big boy pants as you call them are filled with their votes, yes Jim, MONEY. You think the same as Textron. You can stand on any corner and say how great you were, but guess what, that was years ago now and nobody cares. People want and demand what can you do for them now. They don’t care about the past. And Textron clearly doesn’t follow what Cat had developed, loyal trusting customers who expected fast and innovative product. Polaris and doo have come out with new products and improved the existing. Every frikin car and truck manufacturer has come out with new product. But Textron says Covid is the problem. Let me tell you this Jim, leaders find a way to make it happen, losers point the finger and blame somebody, rather than fixing the problem. Things don’t get better pointing fingers, ever! Simple rule in life. Excuses are for children who don’t know any better. I wish it were different, but it’s been three years now and nothing.
The customer is the problem -got it. Thanks for clarifying. I see why you like textron so much. They are doing their best to fix that problem. Defined that way they’ll have much fewer problems in 23 than they did when they sent gunner and Heidi up to learn what a snowmobile is.
Good point above about Dixie chopper. Another company bought, stripped and killed by textron.
I just recently picked up my 22 tcat. I noticed the chain case cover does not have the sight glass that they have had in the past, it’s just a small allen head screw. Does any one know if the sight glass was removed in recent years? Also noticed that most of the nuts and bolts on the tcat are gold. I’ve looked back at my previous sleds and none of them have gold hardware they are all silver. The gold hardware stands out and not in a good way. Has anyone else noticed this, did cat change for a reason or with supply issues was this all they could get? It looks bad.
“the moment they started getting rid of the engineering and hands on types in product development, that was the beginning of the end from my pov.”
Absolutely. Axed some of “THE” names in sledding! Smart, if you wanna KILL the company.
“I laugh thinking about all the ‘they make helicopters and war machines’ talk when Textron took over. Textron has a track record that stands on it’s own.”
Gotta admit, I came into this looking “Things will still be OK.” And it was, sort of, for a while! We had some good stuff in 17, 18, and 19! But, that stuff was probably in development and nearing completion before the bloodsuckers bought Cat.
“here’s to hoping Argo or someone passionate about snowmobiles and ATV’s is able to acquire Cat sooner than later”
I can’t see it ending well for Cat. Yamaha would be best, but I don’t think they care enough about sleds to spend the no doubt ridiculous amount the bloodsuckers will want.
“from this lamprey”
Ha! Thanks Corner!
“No doubt you could master it in a short period of time. Just a lathe turned vertical.”
I think I could learn it. But what weirds me out about mills is that the piece is stationary, and the cutter moves! Spooky!
“At one time I made a roller Arctic Hex clutch.”
Got any pictures? That sounds sweet!
“When Textron bought Cat, they looked around the offices in Georgia to see who they could send north to run Cat”
I wonder why they didn’t leave it alone? Oh yeah, they want to DESTROY Cat.
“So they reluctantly went up to Cat with no compassion or motivation to try and and run a snowmobile manufacturing company. And for that reason, I think those people are just going through the motions to get a salary and just do not have any passion for this industry.”
Yup. Might as well have me run a fabric company. I don’t care about fabric, so I don’t care if it flies or not.
“At first I thought you were the other Jim. Was surprised to see a realistic post. But then saw you are someone else.”
Don’t mistake them! JimW=GOOD!
“Yeah wondering who stood up to take this assignment – go to northern MN, pawn out the ATV tech to bass pro for a nice payback and bleed what you can out of what is left till it dies. Screw the dealers and anyone involved in R&D.”
Again, seems like I am agreed with. We think alike! WE ARE THE BUTT HURT! TEAM BUTT HURT!
“I noticed the chain case cover does not have the sight glass that they have had in the past, it’s just a small allen head screw. Does any one know if the sight glass was removed in recent years? ”
Yeah, it was “improved” for 2022.
“Also noticed that most of the nuts and bolts on the tcat are gold. I’ve looked back at my previous sleds and none of them have gold hardware they are all silver. The gold hardware stands out and not in a good way.”
I’ve seen some gold ProCross bolts before. Kind of an orangey gold. The SAE bolts back in the good old days were yellow gold cad plated. Can ya think of it that way? As a reminder of better times?
Just saw the video with dave McClure saying hes ridden the new mountain chassis and its awesome.
Where is this video?
Yeah, got a link?
Sight glass went away in 2021. Not a big deal as after one season, the sight glass was useless. Bolts and fasteners going from silver to gold? Just a coating and seriously, how do you even notice, let alone say it looks bad? Is your coffee to hot and your ice cream to cold? Time for you complainers to follow through and switch brands. Let us true Cat enthusiasts enjoy reading about the new sleds and not have to skim over all the BS from some cry baby’s who did not get there way. To all the Karen’s, just leave!
DAYUM Katden! Merciless!
I’ll believe Dave McClure when I see it. Not calling him a liar, just who tell him what to say.
I for one LOVED the sight glass. Anyone who doesn’t is spouting the nonsensical ramblings of a lunatic mind. Why use a gas gauge? Just use the gas tank dip stick or check screw instead of looking at a gauge, or on a RACE sled, just looking at the tank!
NEW sleds? THAT’S a good joke.
Oh Karen. You got up on the wrong side of the bed again.
All the sight glasses work fine on our cats. Weird they got rid of them. Nice to check from time to time you are ok, especially since some of them leak, either out the seal or from the fill plug.
Pull the screw and it is the same thing.
Not complaining just asking, the tcat is grey and black and all the gold looks bad, in comparison to my 19 that’s parked next to it with silver hardware. Again not complaining just asking. Same with the sight glass, hadn’t heard that was removed so I was just curious.
I thought it looked great. But I do not look at the bolts and fasteners. How do you get through life fretting about little things like gold coating compared to silver?
Can someone get Jimmy a snickers he’s a real diva when he gets hungry…
How about that zr7k ?
Oh, are you a Karen as well? Complaining here is not going to change 2023. Fact!
The new owners of the company reinvigorated Harley-Davidson with a sense of rebirth and independence that hugely boosted company morale. Having had an opportunity to free itself from a larger corporate owner, Harley-Davidson was back, with a whole new philosophy and quest for excellence. This is what was said when Harley Davidson was bought back from AMF. Willie G Davidson/ aka Roger Skime i wish
look on Arnensen Rocky point web cam Arctic’s trailers are parked in front testing on Lake of the Woods ?????????
“The customer is the problem -got it. Thanks for clarifying.”
I agree. They should like the same thing year after year and pay more for it! Ingrates.
“I see why you like textron so much. ”
I can’t figure that one out. Maybe he’s on their payroll? Or maybe he’s “lapdog-lady” or “never-rode-a-sled-before-man” with a different name online?
“They are doing their best to fix that problem. Defined that way they’ll have much fewer problems in 23”
Yes. No more having to make new graphics, or gather parts, or pay workers to build stuff!
“Good point above about Dixie chopper. Another company bought, stripped and killed by textron.”
I had no idea bloodsuckers tried to kill them, but I can believe it easily.
Dave McClure is probably just saying what the bloodsuckers tell him to say.
Hey Mark, just pull the screw. You wanna do that every time before you ride, instead of looking through a window, right? Like I said “spouting the nonsensical ramblings of a lunatic mind. Why use a gas gauge? Just use the gas tank dip stick or check screw instead of looking at a gauge, or on a RACE sled, just looking at the tank!”
“Not complaining just asking”
Oh, we dig it Jason. You would just prefer the silver fasteners. Me too honestly. I like a good nickel plated flange bolt myself!
“Can someone get Jimmy a snickers he’s a real diva when he gets hungry…”
“You’re not you when you’re hungry.” Welcome to the Karen Klub alex! WELCOME WELCOME WELCOME WELCOME!
“The new owners of the company reinvigorated Harley-Davidson with a sense of rebirth and independence that hugely boosted company morale. Having had an opportunity to free itself from a larger corporate owner, Harley-Davidson was back, with a whole new philosophy and quest for excellence. This is what was said when Harley Davidson was bought back from AMF. Willie G Davidson/ aka Roger Skime i wish”
I’d LOVE to see CAT run by Snowmobile Jesus! I remember the first time I SAW Roger in person. I shit you guys not, I literally felt a genuine happy feeling in my SOUL. And then I MET him. Oh yes. Even better. I’m a big fan of the 02 SnoPro, and Roger is too! He knew EXACTLY why I felt that way, and what made the 02 SPECIAL. I’m thinking, “of all the stuff this man has seen and done, he remembers a handful of 10 year old race sleds and what they meant, and still mean!” The man IS snowmobiling, and that’s why I lovingly refer to him as Snowmobile Jesus! God bless him! And I will have WORDS with anyone who doesn’t like him.
“look on Arnensen Rocky point web cam Arctic’s trailers are parked in front testing on Lake of the Woods ?????????”
Testing new ways to NOT make a new sled I bet. Or more likely, that’s where the buyer of the trailers is going to pick them up.
Karen, aka Dave, just go away. You are no help. It’s the same thing everytime!
You guys hear that? It sounds kinda like a mosquito. How’d it get here in this site? Somebody leave a window open? Get the spray!
Oh Karen. Try harder!
Just checked out AC website. You can tell which sleds need to be replaced with something new. The mountain and ZR trail sleds are still left. Will AC turn a blind eye?
Most of the 8000s are left. That means that they are making more of them than the others, which actually makes sense. The 2 non ATAC ZR8000s, 4 of the 16 variants of M hardcore Alpha Ones, 8 of the 32 variants of Mountain Cat Alpha Ones, the 2 non ATAC Riots, and the 2 Riot Xs are sold out. That’s 18 out of 58. It’s only been a week. NOTHING should be SOLD OUT at this time, let alone in 1 DAY. For a million years, back when Cat was Cat, MANY snowmobiles were made, and the only time limit was on the special graphics packages, and that was about a MONTH. People ORDERED sleds. People GOT sleds. No fighting over 100 or so Thundercats!
They need to make MANY more models and engines, but that will NEVER happen. Not from the bloodsuckers trying to kill Cat.
Not here to argue but I’m confused. I heard SkiDoo is sold out . Yamaha sold out , in like in 24hrs . Polaris, like 48hrs . I thought Cat would be sold out already? But the True Mountain rides aren’t a fan of the Alpha. All The manufactures cut back this year. Polaris dealers east of the Rocky Mountains. Can’t sell mountain Sleds this year! My cousins dealership out west. Usually sells 500+ Polaris sleds. They could only sell 190 Mountain sleds this year . Sold out in 1 day . They would all like to build more . But after the embarrassment they all took last year ! Thinking it’s smart for them to play it safe ! I was denied a sled last year. Have my fingers crossed that I will get one this year.
Hmm, car lots are empty, people are waiting 6-12 months for new cars and trucks! Even then, some are missing features that were available last year! Shelves in stores are empty! I want new tires for my truck, but the ones I want are backordered! Inflation is at an all time high! Interest rates are going up!
But hey, only Textron/AC are at fault for not getting parts or producing?
I see a lot of car commercials where I live. Would they be advertising something they can’t get? Lotta backlash there if they are lying.
I saw toilet paper commercials when there was no toilet paper to be had!!
Touché.
Everything sold except a few mountain sleds. I would like to know what the build total is forecasted for 2023.
Nice. Still got 36 OF THEM to choose from.
I’d PAY to see how many sleds they are actually making, including the ones for SkiDoo.
You would pay? I highly doubt that. Karen’s never pay. They just complain.
Actually not that many different mountain sleds. 2 different colors, e-start or not, 2 different lengths, atac or not, 2 different tracks – adds up to quite a few options, which everyone has been asking textron to offer. Be nice if they start offering options for length and track for the trail sleds going forward too.
Glad they sold out of the ZRs and Riots.
Yes it does. There are 48 total mountain sleds offered for 23, but only 3 6000s of ANY type. 3 9000s. Kinda limited.
They aren’t going to offer more models. This isn’t 2018, and they don’t have to maintain the façade anymore. Now, they finally get to start carving up the Christmas Arctic Cat! Headed for the ol history bid!
I see what you are saying. Way back in 2018 you could pick different shock packages on the trail sleds – lxr/sno pro/limited/rr. Now it’s the limited only, although now that sales are very limited it’s not called the limited anymore. And back then you could choose 129 vs 137.
Be cool if textron allowed cat to do something like Poo is doing when you order – you pick the chassis, then engine, track, e-start, different coloring schemes, windshield, accessories.
All ZR and Riots are gone. Select mountain left. Cool! Guess Karen is not all knowing.
I seem to remember a time when you could order sleds. If you wanted a Thundercat or 2 9000RRs, you could get one. You had about a month to order one, because they were spring order only, so you had to make up your mind quick! But if you missed it, you still had the 9000 LXR, 4 9000 Limiteds, 2 9000 SnoPros, 9000 CrossTrek, 9000 Cross Country Limited, and 9000 High Country Limited. Those you could order in season. Nobody went without. The idea of being SOLD OUT of a sled was UNHEARD off. Sold out? What the hell does that mean?
This was the far off year of 2017. Was that real? Does anybody else remember that? I have this strange feeling I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT.
2017 did not have supply shortages and Covid Karen. Sold out means there is a name to every sled they can build of that model. Not rocket science Karen. You are talking back when things went wrong. To many sleds were forced on dealers which Cat would have gone belly up if not for Textron purchasing them and there debt. Get it Karen?
“I see what you are saying. Way back in 2018 you could pick different shock packages on the trail sleds – lxr/sno pro/limited/rr.”
Don’t forget the elTigre! Even if the SnoPro and elTigre had the same spec QS3s, at least they had different paint and graphics!
“Now it’s the limited only, although now that sales are very limited it’s not called the limited anymore.”
Yeah, they should just call it the NORMAL. No early order graphics, or special suspension.
“And back then you could choose 129 vs 137.”
Yup. The 9000 was limited to 137 because all the 129s did was spin the track!
“Be cool if textron allowed cat to do something like Poo is doing when you order – you pick the chassis, then engine, track, e-start, different coloring schemes, windshield, accessories.”
Would be, but that would MAKE money, not LOSE it. Kinda hard to go outta business when THEY’RE making money.
“2017 did not have supply shortages and Covid”
I just heard a mosquito buzz this, in ENGLISH, no doubt, in my ear. Weird right? I guess no one got my spray. Anyway, to this strange English speaking mosquito, isn’t it strange how the scamdemic doesn’t prevent Polaris and SkiDoo from offering a lot of models?
“You are talking back when things went wrong. To many sleds were forced on dealers”
Hear this oh weird English mosquito, do Polaris and SkiDoo have TOO many sleds forced on dealers too? Guess mosquitos don’t know about “different strokes for different folks”, “variety is the spice of life”, etc.
“Cat would have gone belly up if not for Textron purchasing them and there debt”
You gonna buzz some more, oh weird mosquito? I guess it’s a good thing the bloodsuckers purchased Polaris, and didn’t cause the company to GO BANKRUPT or anything like that! But that was 40 years ago! Good thing that companies don’t go out of business anymore right?
Would someone get mosquito brain outta here before I call Orkin?!
Because 40 years ago is not relevant to today. Company is not even close to the same Karen. Switch to Polaris since you must be looking for 45 new sleds. Time for you to move on as you are to far into the Karen stage to fix. Not always greener on the other side. But do buzz in and tell us how great it is.
By the way Karen. I’m not the problem. You are!
“Because 40 years ago is not relevant to today.”
You know what? That is the STUPIDIST thing I’ve ever heard slither out of a tiny proboscis. They are more like 40 years ago THAN EVER. Record inflation, labor shortages, etc etc. But I guess being a mosquito, you weren’t alive a few weeks ago, let alone 40 years.
“Switch to Polaris since you must be looking for 45 new sleds.”
You will too lil stupid one, when Cat is NO MORE.
“Time for you to move on as you are to far into the Karen stage to fix.”
I guess EVERYONE who left Cat is now a Karen. WE INCREASE IN NUMBERS! Don’t strain your micro brain trying to figure out why, just call them a Karen. That’s the ticket!
“Not always greener on the other side.”
It IS greener. CASH IS GREEN.
“But do buzz in and tell us how great it is.”
Funny. You are the one who buzzes. High pitched and annoying. Why don’t you go suck the blood out of a dinosaur and get stuck in some tree sap, so in 65 million years, you will matter. OH. I GET IT! You suck blood! Just like your MASTERS! Boy, I didn’t even make that JOKE! YOU DID. GOOD ONE!
Karen! You are one weird person. I mean wow! Get off the drugs before you hirt yourself or someone important.
DID ANYONE SEE THE NEW MODEL TESTING ON LOW BEFORE THE WEB CAM GOT BLOCKED IN THE BLACK TRAILER
no
link?
I’ve read a lot of comments regarding argo saving cat, here’s the comment I got when I approached 4 argo guys sitting in their booth at haydays last year, “that’s a good business NOT to be in” is the only response I got from them when I asked if they would buy cat. It was kind of awkward. I know there was a couple ex cat guys in the group.
Arnesen’s Rocky Point
Tony Hanson Our webcam is working, but we have it temporarily covered. We have some exciting visitors here doing some testing on upcoming snowmobiles and they don’t want their secrets to be revealed just yet. We’re sorry for the inconvenience, but the webcam will be back soon.
Last day. Still a lot of mountain sleds left to order. What does that say?
Means they can make a lot of Mountain sleds there Dale. Dealers will take the left over inventory and sell them in season. Not rocket science.
Maybe that no one wants them at that price point?
The blue ones didn’t sell out either.
Good news is I mite be able to get my M . But Dealers aren’t going to order any extras . A lot of them are sitting on leftovers . That they can’t sell now . Guys out West want Twin rails . Not single rails . No one is Hill climbing a Stock Alpha. They only run the modified classes . So they can put twin rails on them. The other manufactures are sold out of Mountain Sleds . A/C missing the boat again. They need to make both.
I’m glad blue color didn’t sell well, so they can take a hint and get rid of it . Use more purple.
How do you know which sold better? Mountain guys like to have the flare it seems.
By blue I meant the yamaha stickered ones.
Cannot afford to lose any manufacturer. Even Polaris has a reason for being.
Not sure on the Blue Mountain sleds . But the other models sold out in 45mins. Not sure how many the dealers we’re allowed to buy . A lot of Yahme guys are not happy. That they didn’t get to order a 023 sleds .
So now that this BS for the 23s is over, can we see SOME sort of proof of this new chassis that allegedly exists?
Yep, a spy photo would be encouraging.
Oh Karen. They are not going to show anything till next winter at the earliest if they do an early release.
Manu’s used to release mid-season releases of new sleds. Cat can/should do that in January if they really have new chassis.
I agree with that statement Dale, if Cat wants to keep our attention. They sure are acting like they have something major in the works.
They did do something really new for the ATV with the new ATV 600. Hopefully they bring something like that to sleds (and UTVs).
Arnesen’s Rocky Point
Tony Hanson Our webcam is working, but we have it temporarily covered. We have some exciting visitors here doing some testing on upcoming snowmobiles and they don’t want their secrets to be revealed just yet. We’re sorry for the inconvenience, but the webcam will be back soon.
A clip in response to a mosquito’s nonsensical ramblings.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkQ5oARNxLU
Oh poor Karen. Now she is trying to insult me by calling me a mosquito. That is so harsh.
Pick up my 2022 Alterra EPS Green tomorrow morning. Cannot wait to put some miles on it.
ATV is home. Sweet ride. Sled was at dealer yesterday as well, but truck driver forgot about it so will be delivered today. Financed them together. Pick up sled in the fall. A lot of green in the garage.